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MMS and arterial plaque risks? 12 Feb 2012 11:05 #12305

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I have a friend who's 76, Type 2 diabetic, fibromyalgia, and possibly the start of some hardening of the arteries. She's also on a statin drug for high chloresterol. (sp?) I've told her that I won't even consider giving her any MMS until she's been on MSM for at least a month, due to a concern that (since I've read that MMS dissolves plaque in the arteries) that some of the plaque might be acting as "a patch" on weakened areas of her arteries, etc. MSM is supposed to help repair such areas and make such tissues less "hardened." The problem is that MSM upsets her stomach (almost everything does) and seems to make her heart feel like it's racing. Because of that, she quit taking it. (Probably a good idea; since, medical people are useless for advice on stuff like potential interactions - which REALLY "p's me off!...") The costs of her meds have her having to go to the food pantry for groceries; and, have all the usual big pharma negative effects on her overall health. I feel like a heel for talking about all the benefits of MMS to her; but, refusing to set her up with it, because of some of the same health problems that cause her to really need it. I'm really struggling with this; but, it's really important to me that "If I'm wrong that it be in the right direction..." I think I take the "Do no harm..." motto a LOT more seriously than those who are actually in the medical profession. The fact that I avoided giving MMS to someone else who was close to me (because I was concerned about possible contra-indicators and a lack of in depth knowledge of MMS, which I'm trying to correct) and that person started having strokes about 3 months ago, which might've been prevented if I'd been less cautious, has me fighting with myself about this... It also bothers me that there are/were elements of self-preservation involved in both decisions. Beyond the legal ramifications, I have to be able to look myself in the eye...

Has anyone ever heard of any cases where the dissolving of the plaque has actually caused a problem? If so, was it due to an artery "blowing out;" or, a chunk of plaque causing (something like) an embolism? Is it possible that the warning is an artifact from the very early days, before there were enough cases to prove the concern to be unfounded???

Also, since MSM and DMSO are very similar, might topical DMSO (if she can tolerate that) help prevent the risks of an artery "blowing out" with fewer side effects than she's having with MSM? Would that still leave any risk of a chunk of plaque breaking loose, as the MMS dissolves the plaque in her arteries? Has anything like that ever happened, to anyone's actual knowledge? How quickly does it dissolve arterial plaque? (I realize that this would be dose dependent. If I go ahead and provide it to her, I'm also trying to figure out if I need to advise her to stay at a lower dose for longer than she normally would.)

I really want to help her. On the other hand, I absolutely do NOT want to risk making things any worse for her - either from providing it to her; OR, from NOT providing it to her.... It REALLY SUCKS that we have to struggle with such decisions because of a lack of funding and organized support for organized research!!! I makes me SO furious to even think about the harm done to people and animals done in the MIC's unquenchable thirst for money and power!!! (MIC = "medical industrial complex)

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Re: MMS and arterial plaque risks? 12 Feb 2012 16:09 #12319

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Jim also mentions the fact that the plaque might be supporting weakening veins and arteries - and he suggests strong vitamin C doses to help support the veins and arteries.

This is from his most recent book:

Arteriosclerosis
There are many causes for hardening and clogging of the arteries, but cholesterol seems to be the best known. To date, several people have reported that taking MMS reduced the clogging of their arteries due to cholesterol.

One lady called to say that she was in very bad shape. She had been told that her veins were at least 80% clogged. The doctors couldn’t say if it was worse because they couldn’t measure more than that. She took large, 15-drop doses three times a day for 30 days, and when they measured again, the clogging was less than 50%. That is a tremendous change in just 30 days.

While this is not much to go on, it does give you an idea of what MMS can do. Remember, we’re talking about a water purifier. Also, remember that 975,000 people die each year in the US as a result of using medical drugs. No one has died from using MMS. In fact, so far, with over 5 million having taken MMS, there is not a single report of anyone dying while taking MMS.

Well, there is now one report of a person dying in Germany, but the person was beyond help and the cause wasn’t MMS. That’s different than the drug deaths where the death is listed as caused by the drug. The woman in Australia died after taking 2 drops of MMS, so her husband reported, but the autopsy was not done for months and then it was not published. But do you see? No deaths are attributed to MMS directly, and worldwide more than 1.5 million deaths are attributed to drugs.

There is a great deal of evidence indicating that cholesterol deposits in the arteries and veins around the heart are not the cause of heart attacks. The evidence points out that the walls of these vessels, about 10 inches or so right at the heart, collapse 70 to 80 times every minute with each beat of the heart for our entire lives. The vessel walls are strengthened by vitamin C and a deficiency in vitamin C along with a couple of amino acids will cause them to weaken.

When the blood vessel walls crack, they remain collapsed and this is when a heart attack happens. The cholesterol that medical
people say is clogging the veins has really been deposited there to compensate for the deficiency of vitamin C. It is the body’s secondary defense, used to prevent the walls of the arteries and veins on the heart from collapsing.

To avoid clogged arteries and veins, take 6 to 10 grams of vitamin C daily. Reduce the amount if you get diarrhea. Dr. Matthias Rath researched this data and wrote several books. Get his book, Why Animals Do Not Have Heart Attacks, and check the internet. The proof is solid, certainly 100 times better than any data supporting the idea that cholesterol drugs will reduce your chances of a heart attack.

 Keep in mind that Vitamin C is an antioxidant and will cancel out the oxidizing action of MMS

A number of people have reported reducing the clogging of their arteries with MMS. There have not been any negative reports for this use. The body may be able to heal the arteries as quickly as the cholesterol is removed. Also, read Dr. Matthias Rath’s books.

Two people have called to say that after starting MMS, they noticed heavy heart palpitations. Later, they called back to say that the pal- pitations were gone. In my opinion, the palpitations were probably an indication that bacteria that sometimes grow on the heart valves were killed. The palpitations may have been uncomfortable, but if left untreated, the bacteria could have killed the person at a later date.

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Re: MMS and arterial plaque risks? 13 Feb 2012 14:37 #12408

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Hi Pam, As usual, an EXCELLENT reply!

I typed a longer reply; but, I lost it when it didn't go through when I tried to submit it. :(

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Re: MMS and arterial plaque risks? 13 Feb 2012 15:13 #12412

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My case sounds quite similar to that of your friend. I have essential hypertension and elevated blood glucose for many years and was diagnosed with arteriosclerosis and clogging of the arteries about 2 years ago. Prior to that, my cardiologist already had me on statins to reduce my cholesterol and I was on maintenance medication for my hypertension. After the diagnosis, my cardiologist suggested that I go for an angiogram and maybe an angioplasty whereby they will put a stent into the clogged artery. After doing some research and finding out that most bypass and angioplasty patients have a recurrence within 5 to 10 years of their procedure, I was determined to look for other alternatives as I felt that such recurrence rate probably meant that they were barking up the wrong tree. Anyway, to cut the story short, I tried a chinese herbal decoction for 30 days instead and followed this up with Dr. Rath's and Dr. Paulings recommendation of high doses of vitamin C and L-Lysine and L-Proline. I also, took systemic enzymes which is said to dissolve fibrin in the plaque that's clogging the arteries. I still have hypertension and elevated blood glucose but am now able to do exercises and strenuous activities without panting and running out of breath. I also don't feel a heaviness on my chest anymore like I use to.

Dr. Rath's research says that it is a variant of LDL, called the Lp(a), that causes the build up of the plaque. Taking statins will not help as statins will not affect Lp(a).

Let me quote from Dr. Rath's book "Why Animals Don't get Heart Attack - But People Do.":


" A New Understanding of the Nature of Heart Disease

1. Lesions: The main cause of cardiovascular disease is the instability and dysfunction of the blood vessel wall caused by chronic vitamin (C) deficiency. This leads to millions of small lesions and cracks in the artery wall, particularly in the coronary arteries. The coronary arteries are mechanically the most stressed arteries because they are squeezed flat from the pumping action of the heart more than 100,000 times per day, which is similar to a garden hose being (constantly) stepped on.

2. Beginning Repair: Repair of the artery walls becomes necessary. Cholesterol and other repair factors are produced at an increased rate in the liver and transported in the blood stream to the artery walls, which they enter in order to mend and repair the damage. Because the coronary arteries sustain the most damage, they require the most intensive repair.

3. On Going Repair: With continued vitamin deficiency over many years, the repair process in the artery walls overcompensates. Atherosclerotic plaques form predominantly at those locations in the cardiovascular system needing the most intensive repair: the coronary arteries. This is why infarctions occur primarily at this very same location and why most frequent cardiovascular events are infarctions of the heart, not infarctions of the nose or ears."



So, from Dr. Rath's research, it is very important to start vitamin supplementation to increase the production of collagen which in turn will stabilize the arteries and make them more able to withstand the constant stress being impose upon them. This should be done prior to or hand-in-hand with any efforts to reduce or dissolve the plaque deposits as it is these deposits that are patching up the arteries and getting rid of them without addressing the underlying cause might invite other complications. It would be a very good idea to read Dr. Rath's book, "Why Animals Don't Get Heart Attack - But People Do", as Jim suggested. It is a free download for private use.
www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATI...s_Rath/why_book.html
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Re: MMS and arterial plaque risks? 14 Feb 2012 12:08 #12491

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I suggested to her today that she start on Vit. C; and, got the reply, "Ohhh, I can't take THAT!!! It causes me to have yeast problems!..." I'd never heard of that one; but, that doesn't really mean anything. EVERYTHING seems to cause some kind of a reaction for her. :huh: She can't take NSAIDs; but, CAN take that Loritab crap when she hurts... Some of it might be because they yanked her gall bladder out a few decades back. We're good friends; and, I'd really like to see her be able to get off of a lot of the over-priced poisons that her doctor has her on, both to improve her quality of life and so she won't be "SOL" if/when "the crap hits the fan" and she CAN'T get her scripts. Sometimes I get really frustrated with her; but, it's because I worry about her. I can see that she's starting to decline mentally (forgetting that she's told me things, getting dates mixed up, consistently calling her female dog "he" and one of her 2 male dogs "she;" etc.) She gets heart palpitations when she's under stress; and, she's been under quite a bit of stress for quite a while. She's really pretty active, compared to the average 76 yr old; has a family history of relatives who lived to close to 100; and, would be absolutely MISERABLE if she lost her independence and autonomy by not being able to live in her own home. I realize that any decision have be her own; but, it's really important to me to provide her with the best information I can to base those decisions upon. First and foremost, I want to be sure to "Do no harm," at the same time, realizing that NOT doing what I can to help IS "doing harm..." A bit mind bending, to say the least.

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She probably doesn't remember what has caused her problems in the past anymore, and is confabulating - I watched that in my father. I'm going to be a bit harsh here, but probably the only thing that will save her is if TSHTF and she loses access to her pharmaceuticals. I have an 80yo friend whose cancer markers are climbing - she did traditional therapies for the cancer in the past. I've offered her MMS or MMS/CDS, but she "doesn't want to do anything different right now, the numbers aren't THAT high" - all I could do is tell her that I was there for her - no matter what her decision is. BYAM, I think she's tired. She has a husband in assisted living that just lost a second leg to his diabetes and his wheelchair bound and very dependent. What to do? For my friend, I feel I need to respect her decisions, give her the information I have, and love her, regardless of which decision she makes - either consciously or unconsciously.
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Re: MMS and arterial plaque risks? 16 Feb 2012 08:00 #12654

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Thanks Pam; and, I'm afraid that you very well could be right in my friend's case. :( She seems VERY interested in this kind of stuff; but, her words and her actions don't match up. Even after seeing how well my dog bite injuries were healing, when she got bit while breaking up a fight between 2 of her dogs (just a few days later), what does she do??? Goes running off to the ER, where the idiot doctor put in stitches without even putting in a drainage shunt!!! By the time she made it over to soak her hand in some MMS, her hand was swollen up like a grapefruit!!! Even after the MMS started giving her major relief after even the 1st soaking, I had to almost harass her to remember to soak her hand several times a day; and, she constantly complained about "it makes my hand itch..." (DUHHHH!!! It was HEALING!!! It's SUPPOSED to itch!) Even with her just soaking it a couple of times a day, her regular doctor was really surprised how well it had healed. If he'd seen what I saw the day after the trip to the ER, he'd have been more than surprised, he'd have been totally shocked! Without getting her to soak it in MMS, I wouldn't have been surprised if she'd wound up losing that hand to infection!

After about 2 months of "forgetting" and making other excuses, she DID finally get around to finding some hypo-allergenic band-aids; and, I'm hoping to turn her on to some DMSO spray for a place on her nose that hasn't healed after well over a year since a doctor froze off a growth there. Before trying bloodroot, I figured that trying MMS and DMSO on it, first. I doubt that she'd "hang in there" long enough for Cansema to work. Maybe, if MMS and DMSO clears this up for her, THAT will make her more willing to use it for the other stuff. If not, you're right - it IS her decision to make... I just HATE losing those I care about... :(

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MMS and arterial plaque risks? 11 Sep 2017 15:33 #56367

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We are in the process of using MMS to remove Cerebal amyloid plaque. We are doing the latest protocol of a dose every hour. Let's hope it works.

But I would like to know if you have success and what was your final outcome? In your email you said you have dropped the level to 50% and that was the last bit of info. Would you please take a moment and let us know how you are now and if possible your level or percentage?

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